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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

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Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

xblackxsailsx
Well if you are coming back hoarse, and you're not drinking any alcohol, then you are shouting too much to be heard.

Try and shout less. Act cool and collected, and let the girl do more of the talking. That puts you in the position of power, so not only will you save your voice, but you will get better at picking up women.

Also, NEVER lean in if a girl can't hear what you're saying. When you lean in to be heard, you're giving up your power, and you are also going to shout so she can hear you. If YOU don't lean in, SHE will. Putting you back in control.

Finally, increase your resonance when you speak to 'project' your voice, so that you don't have to shout. Then you will have a more commanding voice (back to the power thing), and you will not have to use as much air, helping you with the hoarseness.

I knew all my pickup training would come in handy with singing! haha


david de angelo eh? good concepts indeed, it helped me alot several years ago when I had suffered from wussy syndrome.

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

but now that i've hopefully helped you, i have a question for you:
you mentioned dancing. i've always sucked at dancing, be it at a party or at a wedding. I just can't do it. I have NO idea what to do.
how can i learn?

I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

I noticed you said "I just *can't do it*"
So I'm assuming your not self assured enough of your moves.
I find It kind of "goal dependent", It depends on what do you want to achieve in the moment.
there is the social and there is the pick up.
well about the social, I just get friends very fast so I can just go to a group of two girls so or do something funny and then dance with them and, in the mintime, "move the crowed" pull other people in, do funny stuff just enjoy myself.
once you get one on one ("the pick-up") I don't know I just have fun continue the conversation and just vibe like that until I close.

any way just pick up some kind of music like jamiroquai and stuuf (I'm in to heavy rock ,no doubt ,but this is fun to dance to :P)
and just move in your room.
don't care about how goofy you might look. the goal is to feel more comfertable moving yourself in a "dance mode".
I sometime do it when the street is empty.
you'll slowly begin to develop your "chops" and groove from then on it's just vibeing :P

("AFC Adam" gives advice on that if you can find his material)

If you want to get REALLY good I guess there some you tube videos of a some dance teacher parallel to Jaime you'll find :P

by the way where did you "learn" to pick up?
And what drills do you recommend to build the resonance and voice for parties?

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

xblackxsailsx
but now that i've hopefully helped you, i have a question for you:
you mentioned dancing. i've always sucked at dancing, be it at a party or at a wedding. I just can't do it. I have NO idea what to do.
how can i learn?


as for dancing, i used to be a michael jackson impersonator, doing performances imitating his dancing skills, so i consider myself a pretty awesome dancer. the way I learned was by watching videos of him and copying. now, it is so ingrained in me that when I do my music which is more metal/funk, i'll throw out everything i learned about dance but traces of it carry through when I just "rock out", it looks more original and natural. if you want to just "dance", I think it's good to learn a strict discipline, ingrain it, then throw it out, you'll get a natural appearance. If you are saying that you can't "move to a groove" then you need to spend more time listening to bass/beat/rhythm heavy songs such as rnb, funk genres. the beat and bass are usually the driving force in the dance, music that are all about this stuff like funk and rnb are great ways to learn to "feel the groove". but if you are serious, study dancers that you think move awesomely, and then try to copy every single thing they do, watch videos of them back and forth, memorize the moves, look at yourself in a mirror to make sure your poses are correct, and pay attention to WHY they are doing that move. they should be doing the movement to a specific instrument accent, like the cymbal hit, or a certain note on the bass etc studying it like that will give you the skill to note certain accents in muysic that will dictate what movements you'll do. Learn this stuff and then forget it.

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

wait a second...how the hell do all you guys know about the PUA community??
that's so random!
and yes, i've learned a lot from david. and i know a lot about AFC adam too.
that's so weird..

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

and in response to your question about building resonance and stuff for parties, i assume you should just practice the resonance building exercises (and basically just all of the exercises) from the RYV book. i guess jaime could provide more tips about resonance as it applies to speech, but i never really have a problem with getting hoarse, so i'm not the right person to ask. sorry i couldn't be of more help to you

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

I disagree with the leaning thing. Leaning in is a perfect chance to get to get physically close to the girl :) It's far better than to shout so loud at her that her hair starts to blow back.

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

hahaha. the "technique" is talking at your same volume, and if they want to hear what you say they'll lean in. but if you lean in first tehy'll see that they don't need to and keep letting you do it. Learning all this stuff from David De Angelo was great, but I found learning it and then FORGETTING IT makes it work. if you use it as a "technique" its very fake. Once you internalise it and forget it, it just amplifies who you naturally are, then you can just "be yourself". I foudn and married the girl of my dreams.

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

I know this is getting *CRAZY* off-topic.
BUT I just came back from my 18th birthday(!!) :P
I spoke in a *normal voice* ,drank a lot of water (to level the alcohol) and instead of any of us leaning in: If she showed interest in what I said (or in me you might say) I just pulled her a little bit closer because we are both just interested in the thing we have going! (and it's alpha and stuff..) :)
well, it works for me anyway... :P

Anyway guys, It's 5Am and I have a rehearsal in 9 hours for a muse tribute concert in Thursday and I need to sleep and warm up before!!!
wish me luck! :D

(BTW, I think we can now end this PUA thread :P)

Keep on rocking (and sarging?) in the free world!
good night :)

Re: I gotta fight for my right TO PARTY!

18th birthday?
dude, i turn 17 in august :)