Hahaha I agree with John...They move so friggin fast that you cannot tell. I will add the video to the Members section when I receive it.

Jaime,

That's cool. Though I would like to add that there are two ways to add grit. The approach you used at your ENT and the one where you add the false folds as a second vibrating source.

Great job Jaime! You're THE MAN :) Looking forward to watching the vids.

The way I add grit is the way you add grit, period. Don't start getting confused with this false fold thing. There isn't "two" ways to add grit. The way they caught it on the camera is the way to do it. It IS the vocal cords, NOT the false folds. The false folds help to manipulate the sound for distortion but it comes from the vocal cords. Plain and simple, that is it, there are no magic ways to do it!

Jaime,

I'm not confused...LOL. Actually I believe that it's you who are a little confused. Like I said there are TWO ways to do the grit. Here are two videos on the matter where the false folds come into play....taken from the Pan-European Voice Conferences 2007:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJu_BQrfk3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqqXYR07WgE&feature=related

(look how the false folds are vibrating happily)

Dude that was so friggin awesome!!! I thank you for sharing and happily admit when I am wrong. I definitely know from watching that video and hearing the sound that I personally don't use false folds. It sounds like a slapping effect which is where the 'manipulation' of the overall sound comes into play to give it that distorted sound. I have no clue why I dont use false folds but all my screams from low to high to tuvan all showed an open relaxed throat with the false folds coming in a bit but never slapping together like in that video. It actually looked pretty relaxed though;) Keep those videos coming, that's what this forum is about.

Ya know, I get obsessed with new stuff I learn. So I've been sitting here making growls and I think I might know when I do get the falsies a slappin;) it sounds to me like the slapping in that video, almost like a two-tone type of thing. Pretty cool. I personally probably wouldn't use that sound for singing, by again I don't use the glass breaking sound for singing either;) Sofus, can you find any cord videos of a Tuvan throat singer and post it? I am curious to see if they do it with false folds or if it looked like mine did;)

Jaime one thing that also brings the falsefolds intomotion is when you clear your throat rather heavily or pretend your that old fellow on the bus who's seat just got stolen ;)
If you apply technique to that you can build some wicked ass screams :D
Many good rocksingers use the falsefolds for distortion for example Jorn lande, Kelly sundown carpenter

Yeah kind of like the frustrated sigh thing.

I also want to apologize to Sofus if my earlier post seemed harsh;) I'm always open to learning and always excited about it. Seeing those videos doesn't change the way I teach grit but it does open one's mind to many alternatives of possibilities;) So Sofus, email me at venderaj@msn.com, I got a little present for you. Email me too Jens and John King, because i have to tell you something besides that you both are doing an awesome job on here!

I never could quite understand how you do grit. The only thing I can manage to do is a breathy vocal fry... kinda like what Byran Adams does. But I don't know I'm really using the 'false folds' to do that, I feel like the rasp comes from my palate rather than the cords.

I saw your videos about grit again to remind me on how you teach it jaime.
YOu describe pretty much the sensations one would feel when using the falsefold distortion.
Seams to be spot on for that :P

never doubted your methods for a minute Jaime. You don't need to go to all this trouble to prove yourself, the fact you can sing the way you do proves your methods work. and the fact all the people you train get the results they do prove they work. proof is in the doing, anyone willing to seriously try your methods will see results. I've stuck to your book for over a year and have seen great results, i'm still not at the level I want but obviously high skill takes high time and high practice, results will come slowly and definately.

Thankyou for doing what you do

I just watched that video... and I'm wondering, when they mentioned that you shouldn't tighten your lips when using grit/rasp, how DO you tighten your lips in the first place? In fact, I just tried it, and I can't really tighten my lips up for any "leverage". The jaw, yeah, but not the lips.

Phil noone has ever doubted jaimes methods...
This is more or less science based, as there are many ways to create distortion by manipulation the folds both false and regular aswell as the vocaltract.

So I dont think for a second that jaime wants to prove himself, probably more out of intrest. Who doesnt wanna learn new approaches and ideas? As jaime is a teacher it's important to be able to tackle things from diffrent angles.

The good teachers and singers constantly learn, the bad dont :P

Oh I hope I didn't cause confusion. It wasn't to only prove my methods; it was done for more understanding. And I am so glad Sofus posted those videos. I've always believed that th falsies do affect or manipulate the tone but I've never seen such a wonderful video of them actually slapping together. That's why I am waiting on Sofus to email sonI can send him a gift for his wonderful contribution to this board:)