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Welcome to The Voice Connection Sound Off; a forum for users of books like Raise Your Voice, Melody to Madness, The Ultimate Breathing Workout, and Unleash Your Creative Mindset, as well as a place for Vendera Vocal Academy members to interact.

This message board was created so that singers could come together and "sound off" to help support each other during vocal development and the creative process of unleashing the creative spark that occurs when writing and producing music. Currently, myself and vocal coaches Ben Valen, Ray West, and Ryan Wall are here to respond periodicially to your questions, with new vocal coaches coming soon. But, feel free to help each other too:)

This board is here for you to ask questions about my and my fellow coach's books, videos, and MP3 programs, as well as offer others help with our vocal techniques. You may also post videos of yourself and your band to share your music and ask for critiques.

Please refrain from negative comments, profanities, spamming, and inappropriate criticisms of vocal methodologies, vocal coaches, and singers. All negative posts will be deleted and subject to banning without question. I will not respond to negative posts, because, as Mark Twain once said, “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” With that said, positive criticism is welcome because that is how you'll grow as a singer during the training process.


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Re: Contemplating Giving Up

The dude really has a good voice. He just needs to learn to control it. With his self-effacement I was expecting it to be horrible. I was pleasantly surprised.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

Thanks for all of the comments guys, sorry I've not been about much until now.

One of the things that interested me was the comment about enunciation... can you elaborate? How can I work on this?

Also, what exercises should I be doing for breath support? I've done loads of floor breathing and upright exercises, any more?

As for vibrato... I'm not sure I'll ever have it so I may just not try. At least, maybe not focus on it yet. I always try adding it to songs but it generally sounds wrong.

Anything else anyone can say?

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

As far as enunciation, I would just say to pronounce the words almost as naturally as you would when you speak. The over-enunciation makes you sound like a Broadway singer. It makes it sound like you are "trying" to sing instead of it being a natural sound.

I suggest learning to take the micro-breath before you sing a phrase.

Vibrato seems easy to do when I'm breathing right and not over-thinking it. Trying too hard to do vibrato will make it sound unnatural and bad in my opinion.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

"As far as enunciation, I would just say to pronounce the words almost as naturally as you would when you speak"

i agree. i don't think it matters if you can't understand what the singer says, it just has to sound good. have you heard michael jackson? fantastic singer, but he never clearly vocalises his lyrics. just listen to the chorus of thriller he sounds like he's saying "dilla! dilla naiiiyee" it doesn't matter if you can't understand it, it just has to sound good. put more emphasis on tone and pitch rather than pronounciation of words.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

Dunno, I would have to disagree with that. While you don't want to over-enunciate, being able to sing clearly no matter what register you're in and how gritty or clean you're singing is a skill that sets the great singers apart from the good singers. Try Dickinson, Halford, Dio, Gillan, any of the great ones, you can almost always understand each and every word coming out of their lips.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

Other than that, Nathan, be very careful about your intonation. The number of the beast sounds flat. There are many possible reasons for that, it could be that you were not paying attention to the intonation at the time, or you were not supporting it enough, or simply straining. Intonation is one of the most important qualities in singing.

Your voice is nice, make the most of it.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

James Taylor doesn't over enunciate his words and you can understand every one of them. I wasn't advocating not being able to understand what a singer is saying. If you want to sound like an over dramatic Broadway singer or metal guy, that's fine, but you should be able to do it when you want and not do it when you want.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

Just in short,

I think your tone will be quite suited to singing the higher stuff with a lighter timbre. Superstition was easily the best and you were sounding pretty free. I think you sound very Tenory and after more practise in a band situation I think you will come into your own.

I didn't feel it was over enunciated (I think being able to understand all the words is very important), I do however feel as though it sounded a bit held back.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

"As for vibrato... I'm not sure I'll ever have it so I may just not try." of course you'll never have it if you never try. I heard your stevie wonder take, and you are nowhere near as bad as you say you are. You seriously need to stop with this negative crap. you are literally lying to yourself. you have alot of the right ingredients down, pitch is what i consider most important, and you while not 100% on the mark all the time, for the most part you had that down nicely. the rest is just polishing to make your voice have the right flavour you want.

Re: Contemplating Giving Up

I understand the poor background. I grew up that way too. When I wanted lessons with Jim Gillette, I worked my butt off cutting grass to make it happen. Seriously sounds like you need a great vocal coach. Contact vocal coaches in your area and find one you like. Then do what you have to in order to take lessons with them. It may be simple things that just simply need corrected;)