ahah that's great to know, least I'm onto it :-). the more i' practicing the pitch the more i can hear if i'm "out" or "in" when at first it was almost impossible to tell.

also, i practice the major and minor scales on every key and that has helped tremendously

Well, I have been a tone deaf person for most part of my life. At some point I learnt to tune my guitar by hearing. And now, after doing RYV exercises 3 months, I feel that my intonation has improved. I can find those notes faster now.

It took me about 2/3 years before was able to hear a song and emulate. I still have those days though where a for some reason I can't hit one note properly in a scale.

I also have those days where my vocal teacher looks at me with a 'eww' look on her face and says "well you got the note... it sounded like crap but you got it". lol

I've found that I can't miss a day. if i miss a day i lose alot of the pitch gains that I attained. even if i only do 5 minutes of scales i can assure that i'll improve, but if i miss it i lose alot of progress. so I've been rather adamant about doing at least something everyday.

Try learning to play keyboard. The positive reinforcement of hearing and creating in-tuneness will give you plenty of confidence. Your pitch can only be as good as your ear can discriminate. It's a primarily mental thing. Ear training programs on the internet can help too... Once you have a good mental grasp of pitch, it will be easier for your voice to develop coordination to match your mental image... In other words, your ear will want to make you sing in tune. I didn't get real good at pitch until got real good at TT.

definately agree with you on that. i use my keyboard extensively, and i totally agree with your ear building up the skill of hearing when your in tune. if i look back a couple months ago my improvements are great. i'm just sort of surprised no one seems to talk much about it, as I've had to go through extensive training on pitch, it made me start thinking i was the only one that needed that much training!

Could you guys and girls list computer software (Win/Mac) that has reliable pitch detection for singing exercises?

I bought myself a Korg chromatic tuner. I use that and a digital keyboard/piano. The tuner has a needle that has helped tremendously with pitch. ALthough I think the best thing for pitch is practicing actual scales rather than JUST chromatics since songs are in scales this has helped me translate my chromatic practice into actual music song practice. really listen to the notes and try to resonate your voice with it BEFORE checking the tuner to see if your pitch is on that way you develop the skill of knowing if your in or out without help

This thread is making me worry if my pitch is off now. :/
If I post a clip of myself singing, will you guys tell me if my pitch is off?