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Helen
Jul 23, 08 - 12:44 AM |
Toes Family
I would like to ask for help with my grandma's maternal family - Toes. It is an unusual name and I have found that almost all of the Toes listed in freeBMD in Sheffield are related to my family line. But I lose them in 1871. Leonard Toes was married to Mary Younge May 8,1842. They had 8 children that I know of, most of whom died in childhood. But Leonard Raby, Thomas and William survived childhood. William was my great grandfather. I know Mary died in 1864 when William was only a baby and Leonard died in 1877. I can not find Leonard or William in the 1871 census. I did find Thomas in 1871 living on Pearl St.and apprenticing as a file grinder. I have tried tracing Leonard's sisters and sister in law as well as Mary's sisters and brothers to see if they were living with relatives in 1871, but no luck. I have tried thinking outside of the box and looked for Towes,Tows,Towse,Joes,Foes,Soes,Loes,Ives,and Lees. William is still missing in 1881 but finally surfaces in 1891 living with his housekeeper (not married) and their children,which has deeply disturbed my very Catholic family. I have been able to follow Leonard Raby Toes and Thomas Toes, but William is missing for 20 years. My William was born 1862. The other William Toes, born 1847 is the son of Leonard's brother Thomas. Does that make sense? So where are my Toes in 1871? Thanks in advance. Helen from Calgary |
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John
Jul 23rd, 2008 - 2:44 AM |
Re: Toes Family
In 1871 the family are living at Dunn St, Attercliffe *** Darnall and are indexed as "Tawes" on Class: RG10; Piece: 4698; Folio: 36; Page: 4. The entries are : Leonard age 50 widower file cutter Thomas age 19 file cutter and Leonard age 17 file cutter So it looks as though the entry you found for Thomas is the wrong one. I have found Thomas in 1881 as a 29 year old file cuuter married to Mary with kids Christiana & Isabella. Regards, John |
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Helen
Jul 24th, 2008 - 1:01 PM |
Re: Toes Family
John Thank you very much for that information and the rapid reply. Very impressive. WOW!! I am very excited that I now have at least most of the family found in 1871. When I tried to find them on 1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk they weren't under Tawes, but I did find them under Jawes. Imagine, my toes became jawes. So one more piece now added to the puzzle. I assume the Thomas on Pearl street is Thomas's son not Leonard's son as I thought, but his age is off by a couple of years. I am still wondering where young William Toes was in 1871 and 1881. He was born Apr. 19, 1862 to Leonard Toes and Mary Toes formerly Younge at 14 Cricket Road, Sheffield. He was only 22 months old when his mother died so I had thought an aunt may be raising him, but I think I have tracked down all the aunts in either 1871 or 1881 and still can't find him. In 1891 he is living at Ct. 14 Hse 3 Pond Street with Mary Hope, housekeeper,28, Nora Hope,daughter,6, and Mary H. Toes,daughter,9 months. In 1901 they are at Ct. 14 Hse 1 Pond Street. Mary Hope has died but Wm. Toes has Mary E. Toes Hope, daughter,10, Doris Toes Hope, daughter, 8, Annie Hayward, housekeeper and Norah Hope, lodger,17, living with him. I do know that there is a very close connection between the Toes and the Young's of Pond Street. William's mother and Aunt were both Young's and a cousin also married a Young. I've looked all up and down Pond St. in 1881 and he doesn't seem to be there. Any other suggestions? Thanks so much for your help. Helen |
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John
Jul 25th, 2008 - 3:12 AM |
Re: Toes Family
From what you say, it appears that William Toes and Mary Hope were "partners" and had children. I can't easily find a marriage between them. I have found Doris Toes Hope's birth, Sept qtr 1895 Shefield 9c 534. I think it would be worthwhile getting her birth certificate to see what it describes William Toes as ( assuming it does). I have tried all ends up to find William in 1881 but like you had no success. Best of luck, John |
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John
Jul 25th, 2008 - 3:16 AM |
Re: Toes Family
Forgot to mention - I have found the birth of a Mary Ellen Toes Sept qtr 1890 Sheffield 9 c 469. I would get her birth certificate as well. John |
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Helen
Jul 25th, 2008 - 12:18 PM |
Re: Toes Family
Hi John Thanks so much for your help and replies. I have the birth certs. for Norah Hope, Mary Ellen Toes and Doris Tows Hope. Yes, it seems Mary Hope and William Toes never married. Norah's birth cert. shows father George Hope and mother Mary Hope formerly Cunningham. Norah was born on Pond Hill in 1884. Though there was a Mary Cunningham living in the vicinity at that time, I never could find a marriage for George Hope or a George Hope in the census, so I think he was just made up. Mary Ellen is my grandma and her birth cert. shows father William Toes, mother Mary Toes formerly Hope. But there does not appear to have been a marriage. In the 1891 census they are both single and Mary is shown as Mary Hope not Toes. Doris' birth cert. shows a blank space where the father's name should be and mother is Mary Hope. Doris was registered as Doris Tows Hope. When Mary Hope died in 1898 she died at the home where the girls were born and were the family were living in the 1891 census and her name was Mary Hope on death and her father was present at death not her "husband". Norah showed her father on the marriage cert. as William Hope occupation drayman which is what the occupation of William Toes was. So it would seem there were a few white lies told along the way. The family referred to Norah as "the illegitimate one" but it seems they all were. I'll keep looking for William. Thanks again. Helen |
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