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Patricia
Jul 17, 08 - 5:15 PM |
Thomas Roffey
I have not been able to find the origins of Thomas Roffey born 1811c. He married Frances Mappin 27 September 1827 at Norton, Derbyshire. Thomas's son Samuel Roffey is my 3 x gr grandfather. Samuel was boarded out to Harriet Lockwood living with her on the 1841 census. |
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Kim Dawtry
Jul 18th, 2008 - 5:51 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hi Patricia This one has me stumped! Looking at census returns for Roffeys born late 1700s to early 1800s, they all seem to be around the Croydon, Surrey area or Hever in Kent and also Sussex. Nothing in Derbyshire. The Mappins seem to be a Sheffield family. I did find some Mappins in Surrey (the wife was born in Nottingham) who were tool makers, I'm sure I remember seeing that either the Mappins in Sheffield or the Roffeys shared this occupation. Could not find any deaths registered. I don't suppose the marriage record in 1827 tells you who his father was? I think I would be inclined to think Thomas came from outside Derby/Sheffield, but it's not a dead cert. I suspect Samuels parents died, but where the records are I don't know. The burial record for Thomas might just say where he was born, mind you the marriage record should too. Good Luck, Kim |
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Marlene
Jul 18th, 2008 - 6:10 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Maybe Geoffrey will see this post and enlighten you about the Norton connection? Regards, Marlene |
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Angela
Jul 18th, 2008 - 8:59 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hello Patricia. There are no other marriages at Norton up to 1837 for MAPPIN or ROFFEY. The marriage you already have states that Thomas is from Sheffield. I did find these 3 burials in Sheffield. ROFEE Fanny 6 Sep 1828 aged 24 wife of Thomas Sheffield St Paul ROFFEY Edward 9 Dec 1832 inf son of Thomas Sheffield St James ROFFEY William 28 Nov 1832 aged 5 son of Thomas Sheffield St Paul Kind Regards Angela |
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Angela
Jul 18th, 2008 - 9:11 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hi Patricia. Some more burials in the General Cemetery Consecrated section H2 Grave 182. D of death/D of burial/ Name/Age/Relation/Address/ 4 Dec 1858, 7 Dec 1858 Harriet Roffey, 13m,D. of Samuel Roffey, Scale maker * 15 Jan 1877, 18 Jan 1877,Henry Roffey 21 Scale maker 17 Charlotte Street 23 Jan 1855, 25 Jan 1855,Samuel Roffey 6m Son of Samuel and Selina Roffey 260 Bright St 17 Feb 1879, 20 Feb 1879, Selina Roffey 48 Wife of Samuel Roffey, scale maker 17 Charlotte Street B2 159 13 Oct 1888,17 Oct 1888,Samuel Booker Roffey 12m Son of Arthur E Roffey, Angela |
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Angela
Jul 18th, 2008 - 9:24 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hi Patricia. Fanny ROFEE burial (listed in my first message) could well be Florence the first wife of Thomas. There is a Thomas ROFFEY and Harriet LOCKWOOD marriage at Sheffield parish church (St Peters)between April 1829 and May 1830. This certificate will state whether Thomas was a widow. So perhaps the Harriet LOCKWOOD who Samuel is living with in 1841 is his step-grandmother as she appears to be too old to be his step-mother. Angela |
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Angela
Jul 18th, 2008 - 9:32 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Just had another thought....  If Samuel is aged 10 in 1841, then perhaps Harriet is his mother, not Florence. Angela |
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Marlene
Jul 18th, 2008 - 10:16 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
There is this Roffey in the 1841 census on here: Roffey, Samuel of Hollis Croft, Sheffield North. Aged 10 years. (Piece #1335/3, folio 28b, enumeration district 7.) Find Similar in Same Area Same Household if Available Surname Match if Available |
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Patricia
Jul 18th, 2008 - 11:05 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Thank you for your reply. But, alas all but a few suggestions I have already come across. Samuel was married twice. 1st wife Selina Parker. m 22 July 1851. 2nd wife Louisa Walker m 1882. Samuel's father stated as Thomas. Yes, a Harriet Alice was born 1857c and died 1858. I have copy marriage entry from Parish Registers - Thomas Roffey of the Parish of Sheffield and Frances Mappin of this parish (Norton) by banns 16 September 1827. The entry number is 126. Frances Mappin was baptised 21.5.1804 Cathedral St Peter Sheffield and she was buried 6 9 1828 age 24 yrs at St Paul's/ St James'Church (ref 28), Penistone Street, Sheffield. I have also Harriet Roffey bn Sheffield and married in 1838 (don't know the partner). Children to Thomas and Frances/Fanny (could be one/or another or both wives or other partner):- Samuel 1831, Edward born and buried 9 12 1832c as infant, William 1827c buried 28 11 1832. Robert Rophey born 1823 was buried 31 8 1825 at Penistone Road. I have also considered the names of Jane ROLLEY died 20 7 1819 ref 663 and Elizabeth ROLLEY buried 18 10 1815 ref 185. I have looked at names:- Roffe, Roffee, Rofe, Rophey, Rolphe and Rolley. I have been in touch with the GOONS branch of Roffey. Any light shed on this conundrum is greatly appreciated! Many thanks. 
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Angela
Jul 18th, 2008 - 3:19 PM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hello Patricia. As you already know that Thomas was married twice, to Frances MAPPIN and Harriett LOCKWOOD, what other information are you looking for.? Angela |
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Patricia
Jul 18th, 2008 - 4:37 PM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hello. Thank you. I do not have evidence that Thomas married Harriet Lockwood. And, if so, why would she keep her name Harriet Lockwood in the 1841 Census? I have only come across Frances and/or Fanny and that has been in parish registers as parents to the death of a child Roffey. Anne |
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Kim Dawtry
Jul 18th, 2008 - 5:05 PM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hi Patricia I think Angela said Harriet Lockwood could be a step GRANDMOTHER, makes sense if you think about it, and quite possible. Maybe Harriet Lockwood/Roffey died too in childbirth maybe,so he ended up with Granny? Kim |
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Angela
Jul 18th, 2008 - 5:26 PM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Thanks Kim, that is what I found. Hello Patricia. There is a Thomas ROFFEY and Harriet LOCKWOOD marriage at Sheffield parish church (St Peters)between April 1829 and May 1830. This certificate will state whether Thomas was a widow. This would make sense if Frances/Fanny is the burial I found. ROFEE Fanny 6 Sep 1828 aged 24 wife of Thomas Sheffield St Paul. Checking the parish registers would confirm these findings. Angela |
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Patricia
Jul 18th, 2008 - 5:33 PM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Thank you Kim. Yes, the penny is beginning to drop! What has baffled me is that I have these parish registers data and I have not come across Harriet! This seems to be the likely answer the more I think about it. Where did 'he' get to then? There have been no sighting in death registers or the BMD. (after 1837 of course) Two other people - Edward and Susan Lockwood (the same ages at 25 yrs in 1841) are also living with Harriet Lockwood (60 yrs)& Samuel Roffey (10yrs). And there was a child Edward buried in 1832 who could have been named after (this Harriet's brother - if the theory is the right one). Samuel eventually does have a daughter named Florence (my 2 x gr grandmother). Because of being misinformed or having to double check entries - typing errors etc - one is easily bamboozled. So, therefore, I was playing with the idea that Frances was his mother and there had been some mistake made. I could not weigh up why he had not named a child Frances. I have no data on a Florence marrying Thomas though. But, there was a child Harriet who died. Therefore, your theory seems to be correct. I will try to follow it through again.  oh enlightened one........
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Kim Dawtry
Jul 19th, 2008 - 3:38 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Hi Patricia Hopefully you're on the right track now. Thomas could have died prior to 1837, the burials are sometimes hard to find as nor all of them are on-line as I found with my rellies. If I find him, I'll let you know. Good Luck, Kim |
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Patricia
Jul 19th, 2008 - 5:56 AM |
Re: Thomas Roffey
Thank you Kim for your help. After many years of quandering and hard research (not being able to frequent Sheffield Archives much) I am getting there!! A little help goes a long way. Anne |
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