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Joe
Feb 28, 05 - 12:43 AM |
Pro-hormones
Anyone had any experience with these? Are they still available?
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Matt
Mar 1st, 2005 - 3:18 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
They're still available while stocks last.
We, GymRatZ, have very limited stock left of some of the more popular pro-hormones, ie. Erg-1AD, SynSauce 4T, VPX 1T, Biotest M (anti-estrogen).
As for my experience, I haven't tried any of them as I have to comply with the IOC banned substance list, but those that I know who have tried them, notably 1AD, have manged to increase strength and mass on each course if they've been sensible and increased their calories and trained intensely.
MATT 
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pepe
Mar 1st, 2005 - 7:47 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
It makes no sense why all these products are being banned. I could buy steroids cheaper off a friend.
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pepe
Mar 1st, 2005 - 7:59 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
tried mag10 and 1ad in past and put on about 9lb on mag10 and 7lb on 1ad but lost about 3lb after courses.
pepe
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Matt
Mar 2nd, 2005 - 5:55 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
I don't agree with the banning, I can only see it encouraging more people to venture straight to steroids.
I agree with federations and associations banning them as it's the associations choice and for willing entrants to abide by their rules. Hopefully banning in sport creates a more level playing field, or at least it might if testing increased and improved in most sports following IOC rules. I'm probably being a little nieve though with the extent of drug abuse in sport.
For people not participating in any sporting activity I feel it's their choice - I know I wouldn't want anyone telling me what I can and can't use. Although a lot of the time people taking them aren't particular well educated about their own training and can make the gains they're after by adjusting their training and diet. For the more experienced and better educated trainer I can't see the harm.
What are your views?
MATT
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pepe
Mar 2nd, 2005 - 6:24 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
I agree you are nieve about the sporting world.
I agree that pro-hormones should not be banned.
pepe
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Matt
Mar 7th, 2005 - 1:11 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Neither of us can spell naive though.
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Guy
Mar 25th, 2005 - 12:59 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
I understood we weren't quite the 51st state yet  so prohormones aren't banned in the UK, but the US supply has dried up. I guess the UK market is too small to justify anyone setting up a manufacturing supply here though. If they did I suppose the government would ban it as they presumably thought Congress had done their work for them and the various sporting bodies. I keep seeing companies claiming to have been warned off selling HMB by the medicines agency so what chance a manufacturer of prohormones?
Guy.
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Pete
Mar 25th, 2005 - 4:26 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
You are right Guy. The American market plays a massive part in what goes on here with regards to available supplements. The MCA throws the spanner in the works for what the US doesn't sort out.
I heard rumours of production of Pro-hormones moving to places like Mexico as (as far as I am aware) is producion that's been made illegal in the U.S. Whether this is just some un-quantified statement taken out of context I don't know, but I would think whichever company made such a bold move would reap the rewards on a huge scale making pro-hormones for everyone else.
Judging by the amount of requests we get to ship our remaining stock of 1-AD to private US customers, the demand is still very high regardless of cost.
p.s. products are never "banned in the UK" as lots of people like to refer or comment, they are are either re-classified as a medicine or, the new "destroy supplements" clasification "Herbal Medicine", or classed as a restriced drug like DHEA for example which is technically a class C drug (anabolic steroid).... or is it a mendicine.
Either way, it was/is next to useless anyway.
Then again.... we could live in Italy where (I believe) the protein content (grams) of a "serving size" can make the diference between a product being allowed on to the shelves or not !!
It's one crazy mixed up world. 
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hal
Apr 6th, 2005 - 9:31 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
so, apologies for posing the stupid question, but does this mean i won't be able to purchase nor if i'm based here in the UK?
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Matt
Apr 7th, 2005 - 5:22 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
It's highly unlikely. Current stock's almost exhausted and there's no new source that we're aware of.
MATT
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Guy
Apr 7th, 2005 - 1:56 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
I initially heard the same rumour as Pete, that it was US production that was being banned and not personal possession or use. This held open the possibility of production slipping off to somwhere like Mexico or the other big favourite, China - as they already produced quite a lot of the basic chenicals for the market anyway. However, it now appears that the US legislation goes much further than originally anticipated and sale or possession for sale is a Federal offence (and like narcotics the sentence is dramatically increased if the offence occurs near a school-got to protect those high school footballers) and possession for personal use is also an offence -although punishable by a lesser but still stiff penalty.
The upshot of this is that Prohormones get you the same time in the slammer as possession of steroids so why not go the steroid route in the US? At least there is a solid medical knowledge of their side effects. With this scenario I can't see many people bothering to jump into the breach and produce/supply prohormones for the US market and hence the UK market. The problem here of course is that Steroids are controlled whereas prohormones aren't. Big rise in steroid use thanks to George W? I think so.
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Matt
Apr 15th, 2005 - 7:09 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
I've just posted a seperate Ephedra article link, but I thought I'd post here as well seeing as we're discussing legislation. I can't imagine a judge in the U.S. making a similar ruling with pro-hormones, but it's interesting nethertheless.
See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7504443/
What's the bet the judge is a bit of a porker ?
MATT
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Guy
Apr 16th, 2005 - 4:33 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Nice image Matt.
The FDA banned ephedra under pre-existing legislation in April 2004 and the case against the ban turned on whether the FDA exceeded its authority in extending its powers to a supplement rather than a drug. The prohormone ban was enacted under specific new legislation -The Anabolic Steroid Control Act 2004 passed on 22 October. My understanding is that the court was able to overturn the ephedra ban on administrative grounds that the FDA exceeded its competence in this case but that a challenge to the prohormone legislation would have to be a Supreme Court matter as it would strike directly at the law making power of Congress - a different order of magnitude entirely.[but not impossible Best not hold our breath I think.
Guy
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Matt
Apr 19th, 2005 - 4:43 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Yeah, I believe the criminalization legislation on pro-hormones was passed by both the U.S. Senate and the House. I would imagine this is just about as iron clad as it gets. So no more pro-hormones for the Americans and unlikely we'll see them again.
On an unrelated subject, what's your opinion on Nitric Oxide supplements Guy? I'm assuming that most of what I've heard is manufacturing blurb but it hasn't stopped us selling more Nitric Oxide formula's than creatine. Reviews have been relatively favorable so far and articles I've read mixed. Have you tried any yourself yet?
MATT
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Guy
Apr 21st, 2005 - 1:59 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Matt, Haven't really got an opinion on NO products. All the US blurb makes it sound like sliced bread squared but I've never tried it and all the 'hard' science reviews I've seen are pretty sceptical at best. I've thought about trying it but always had something else to squander my money on -wife child, that sort of thing. You say you sell more NO than creatine? I've not noticed NO products on the site, Am I going blind? Point me in the right direction and I might give it a go.
Guy
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Guy
Apr 21st, 2005 - 2:08 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Matt, Just had another thought. What's your feeling about the new crop of 'natural' testosterone boosters/estrogen suppressors? Can you use things like 6OXO if you're natural? I guess if it worked like the adds say you'd risk being over the test limits? I hear Gaspari Nutrition and Kilo have both brought out new products based on the same chemical which claim to be more effective than 6OXO in boosting test. Are these products the genuine answer to those missing their prohormones or are they just solid gold watches for a dollar?
Guy
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Matt
Apr 22nd, 2005 - 5:35 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Hello Guy,
Yeah, the manufacturing blurb is exactly that BLURB! My interest in the products had come from those that had recomended it. We had a gentleman called Andy in yesterday who won his intermediate class at the EFBB South Coast. He believed that the NO product (he took Maximuscle NO2) had helped him become more vascular leading up to the event. He did say it could be another factor that had contributed, but if so he didn't know what. He said that he knew not of any other benefits it may of had though. He's got nothing to gain from recommending the product and felt that it may be worth a try in the lead up to comp.
We've currently got two NO products:
Reflex's Tri Matrix, see: http://gymratz.co.uk/bodybuilding-supplements/item160.htm
and Maximuscle NO2 capsules - will pop up on the site later today.
I can't see NO outselling creatine being a permanent trend or even whether it's an indication the supplements are any good, but more an indication that people have been listening to the blurb. The test will be whether they re-order - we'll wait and see. I'll give the supplement a trial.
6-OXO and similar supplements are amongst those on the banned list of the federation I chose to compete with, see: http://www.bnbf.co.uk/banned.html.
You can never be too careful though and I'm often carefully reading sample supplements we receive as there's always that fear that you may take something that you shouldn't. There's always someone posting on natural forums fearing they've taken pro-hormones not realising what they were.
BEING CAUTIOUS: Here's a copy of a mail I've sent before to the Chairman about an issue with pot labelling, see:
Hi Matt
Sorry to hear you are not doing the Finals
the reason that it is marked that way is that > Tribulus terrestis; can not
be checked for purity so Maximuscle will not guarantee it none of the things
in it are banned.
Good luck remember it is only 40something weeks till your next comp
Vicky
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt (GymRatz)"
To: "Vicky McCann"
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:05 PM
Subject: Not entering finals and also a product query
>> Hello Vicky,
>>
>> I hope preparations are going well for the British Finals. I've just had
>> a look at your 162.5kg deadlift in the latest BB mag - very impressive!
>>
>> I thought I'd better send you a mail to let you know that I won't be
>> entering the Finals. I didn't plan to enter this year as I'd like to
>> come back even better next year in the Southern qualifier.
>>
>> The Southerns caused a little bit of a stir locally and me and Ian
>> Scammell (Novice 2nd) have hopefully persuaded a couple more BB's to
>> enter next year, one of the guys won the ANB British middleweights about
>> 12 years ago and is trying to get back into his training, so we're
>> hoping to learn alot from him.
>>
>> I was just about to start a course of the new Maximuscle Tribulus and
>> before having my first capsule noticed a warning that drug tested
>> athletes should not use it. The formula's the same as that used in the
>> old Testo-kic, less the ZMA. I can't see that any of the ingredients are
>> anything that would conflict with natural bodybuilding but thought I'd
>> better check incase there's anything new that I don't now of. Ingedients
>> are:
>>
>> Tribulus terrestis;
>> horny goat weed;
>> beta-ecdysterone.
>>
>> Please let me know. Thanks,
>>
>> MATT
>> matt@gymratz.co.uk
>>
>> --
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>> Sports Nutrition & Gym Equipment Specialists
>> TEl/Fax +44 (0)117 982 3397
It's good in a way to hear Maximuscle have been out of stock of their Tribulus for some time as they're drug testing them.
MATT
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Matt
Apr 26th, 2005 - 9:51 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Last of Erg-1AD has been sold. Only the Anti-estrogen Biotest M is left on the shelve.
MATT
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Chad
Jun 10th, 2005 - 10:05 AM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Does anyone know where I can still buy pro-hormones?
Chad
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Matt
Jun 10th, 2005 - 1:08 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Are you in the U.S. or U.K?
MATT
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http://gymratz.co.uk - Sports nutrition and Fitness equipment specialists
http://polar-heart.co.uk - Polar Heart Rate Monitors
http://uk-discount-fitness-equipment.co.uk - Obvious really!
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Chad
Jun 10th, 2005 - 2:14 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
uk
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Matt
Jun 10th, 2005 - 3:09 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
The only place we found still advertising them, www.pro-hormones.co.uk, appear bogus. Reading through the site and entering their forum it appears that all they sell are steroids (obviously illegal). Subsequently, I would avoid ordering off anyone you haven't dealt with in the past. So I guess the answer is no, I don't know anywhere.
MATT
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http://gymratz.co.uk - Sports nutrition and Fitness equipment specialists
http://polar-heart.co.uk - Polar Heart Rate Monitors
http://uk-discount-fitness-equipment.co.uk - Obvious really!
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Matt
Aug 2nd, 2005 - 5:05 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
Pete has managed to get his hands on limited stock of Erg-1AD.
Please call to order.
MATT
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http://gymratz.co.uk - Sports nutrition and Fitness equipment specialists
http://uk-discount-fitness-equipment.co.uk - Obvious really!
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joe
Oct 24th, 2005 - 12:26 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
still any 1-ad left then?
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Matt
Oct 24th, 2005 - 12:38 PM |
Re: Pro-hormones
We still have stock of Erg-1AD.
Pete's also sourced a box of BSL's 1 Methyl Test which is reportably stronger than Erg 1AD, but hasn't been tried and tested by any shop customers yet. Pete's normally the guinea pig, but is only performing cardio at the mo so there'd be no point trialing. From what we can make out from the chemical ingredients and mg qty it appears to be exactly the same as M1T used to be. M1T always received good reviews.
MATT
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